All I was saying as in the past, it would be easier if it was also at the bottom so you don't have to go up.
Those buttons stay at the top of the window no matter how far you scroll down. There is also a "back to top" on the bottom left of each post that shoots you to the top of the page again so you don't have to scroll up.
I moved over to here to discuss further with you about the site and forums and facebook etc. We were discussing some aspects of this under the other topic of importing fish......So thought I should move this aspect of the discussion over here.
Not sure if you want to discuss this out here in the open or not? I could understand if you dont want to discuss dying forums etc out in the clear.
I am doing a lot of research right now on how to create online communities. All I am seeing is that the old forum style is dead and that the new social media way is where it is at ...like it or lump it.
I know there was a chequered history to the original Trophs site. Not sure about the details and dont want to go into it, but what I do know is the old forum used to work and had traffic....well time has moved on and today look at the lack of activity on this forum. Nothing you are doing wrong....i applaud your gallant efforts. But it seems forums are no longer the way.
We are in the grip of the social media era - there is no way back.
As I play around with my new Sony phone on good solid 4G connections I am beginning to understand the allure to it all. Its so convenient. I can keep up with so many things during some down time I may have whilst out doing things during the day. This then carries over to chatting online with ppl into the things I am into.
Personally I prefer forums. But there is no use ignoring the stats is there? The posts are very thin on the ground these days. I dont know what the traffic figures are here of course but how many ppl are even coming by anymore? I bet if you made this a FB group it would be thriving.
I am sitting pondering all this. Its a brave new world. We even have 4G at the lake.
Came across this in my reading and thought it very relevant to what I was saying in my last post here......
"Metrics that enable them to measure and improve the health of their community. In the past, these metrics have been relegated to mainly qualitative metrics – like NPS scores or nice posts by members. Today, with new services, hosts can see the percentage of members who are contributing, which is the number one indicator of whether your community is sustainable. This, plus other metrics like returning members as a percentage of active members, are making hosts that much more effective at building a fantastic, valuable community."
While I agree with what you're saying I am also part of an online discus forum community called Simply Discus. On this forum there is a lot of daily activity, I'm talking new posts &/or threads in the vicinity of 10, 20, sometimes even 30 or 40 every day. The forum has been running for over a decade and is pretty much a dedicated discus forum. There is a core group that make up a lot of the reply threads, but a still growing number of new members and new threads. There is also a healthy number of internationals; Australian's, Asian's, and many from Europe & the UK
I wonder if it's the longevity of the forums existence, and it's preexistence to the social media boom, or that many of its active members are in the older age bracket, like over 40, and many in the 50-70 bracket.
It is kind of a phenomenon, which intrigues me greatly as it is totally against the grain in today's media climate. Trophs and More was started after the social media boom hit its peak, and I think alot of tropheus keepers are younger and more geared towards FB, Twitter and other media sources and the like.
Interesting points. It could be that the site you reference was existing BEFORE the FB bang and the members are simply loyal. Its a human trait that ppl dont like change. A lot of ppl see it as if "it's not broken dont fix it". So perhaps these Discus guys are as you say older and dont like change. Or are all mixed ages but no one led the charge out the door to FB so no one moved?
No idea, only guesses.
All the drama surrounding Trophs.com surely could not have helped. Bad timing? But its not just this forum.....many forums are in decline. I am looking at Mighty Networks and Tribe - they get the FB thing is not good and that forums are dead or dying and use the Social media dynamic as the basis of thier approach.
My theory is that the smartphone has become so powerful and does so many useful things that its everyones go to in the western world - heck, I see it here in Africa, so can only imagine how it is in the Western World. It's just plain convenient - so why go to a desktop when you get home for the evening or on weekends etc. Its far easier to just keep going on the phone and forums dont work so well on the phone.
We are in the Social Media age like it or lump it. We have to adapt. The reason dinosaurs became extinct was because they could not adapt fast enough to the new changes all around them.
We need some dynamic out of the box thinking here.
Post by Mastiffman/ Duramax7Man7 on Dec 12, 2019 8:13:32 GMT -5
I understand and I appreciate your thoughts and efforts. But yes I agree that FB has made it too convenient for people. But also FB is not as specialized as forums. So you get a lot of clowns, unknowledgeable people acting knowledgeable and everybody that wants to just waste peoples time. Im apart of a few other forums that are active daily. Two tractor forums and one snowmobile forum. One of the tractor forums puts a lot of effort of keeping people in the loop through emails. They send out emails about top threads or monthly contest winners showing the persons machines. There are also emails with the most active discussions per board section and others about sponsor news.
FB has caused sponsors to fall off the forum scene because they can get advertisement for free on FB so why pay an annual fee on a forum.
So it takes a lot of effort from the forum owner or host that runs the forum to reach out to the community these days.
Social networks have a different way of connecting people that makes it so convenient that it entitles people's to think that they dont have to go anywhere else. And the fact that other people on these social network like to feed their egos and show people what they know, encourages them to respond to anyone as if they are a personal search engine for the people asking questions instead of just googling it and them being lead to a forum. So it entitles both ends of questioning amd answering...
The bells and notifications are another story. Let along showing responses or who likes your post on the fly, it has also made people literally addicted to the soumd the Facebook notitfications or bells by causing little amounts of of dopamine to be released every time they hear it. They've done studies that prove it. And I'm sure FB R&D has dome their done own research to find that out and continue doing it.
One of the tractor forus I'm on has that feature. I believe its possibly like pavlovs law..?
Anyway. Yeah that's where we are at. Im the only really able to make changes and Ive been a little preoccupied with other hobbies in the past 2-3 years. Like many other people though I'm trying to get done as much as I can and yes, waiting for responses sounds a little less appealing at this point for some stupid reason... Thinking about it though, its not that big of a deal.
I think that it takes maturity to be apart of a forum though aa you have to practice actual "good" social skills. You have to be accountable. You don't have to do that on FB it seems as people are rude and down right nasty when they see fit with no ill effect. Im forums, the community tends to adhere to a more cordial way of communicating and having discussion because of rules. FB is like a schoolyard. Its a free for all. Lawless children like that and unfortunately the world is full of lawless child minded adults and FB is right up their alley with its functioning. Im not trying to be mean or bitter... Just stating facts.
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